Special shout out to Lazar, Ehmann, & Saliba.
We need a drink now ...
Reporting from Botswana Worlds 2011
Special shout out to Lazar, Ehmann, & Saliba.
We need a drink now ...
Comedy:
U China, Wu Wu ?
Public Speaking:
1) Christelle Thomson, Jamaica
2) Jack Gamble, Cambrdige
3) Danny Blackman, Cornell
Masters:
Scotland (Alex Just & Eusebius McKaiser)
Best Speakers
EFL
5) Unisa Adi..., Ghadjamadra A
4) Ilianta?, Ghadjamadra A
3) Visa Adriani?, Indonesia A
2) Simon Belak, Ljubljana C
1) Andreas Lazar, Stuttgart A
Congrats!
ESL
5) Patrick Ehmann, Berlin A
4) Michael Saliba , Stuttgart A
3) Rob Honig, Leiden B
2) Ljubljana A, Maja Simova
1) Filip Dubranovic, Ljubljana A
Open Break
10) Stephanie Bell, Oxford C
9) Brent Kettles, Hart House A
8) Neve?, TCD Hist B
7) Patrick Halliwell, Sydney B
6) Doug Chochran, Cambridge A
4) Ben Woolgar, Oxford A
4) Bronwyn Cole, Syndey A
3) Fiona Prowse, Monash A
2) Tim Mooney, Sydney A
1) Victor Finkel, Monash A
Two Best Volunteers:
Grant? & Onhe?
Congratulations to all!
All teams good, will be a hard decision. I thought CO were a little late on extension, OO internally contradictory on one point and OG anticipated sth on sovereignty that wasn't contested. So much for the bads.
If you ask me, CG has a very good chance - they certainly gave two consistently excellent speeches.
Now off to the dinner & awards venue ...
Judges:
Logan, Anat Gelber, Vivek, Mary Nugent, Phil Barker, Adam Goldstein, Isabelle Loewe, Tate, Michael?
Congrats to Isa on that achievement!
So some German participation in a Final after all ...
General trend seems to be that principles were debated at the top of the table and bottom is focusing on implementation-related extensions with ties to principle. The latter has worked surprisingly well in many cases at this Worlds. Seems like debateland is moving back closer to reality ;)
I am leaning somewhat towards opp, but the speeches in opening were of different strength, and closing might be focusing a little much on the idea that if the problem that OG presented exists, this is the fault of "broken democracy" in the first place. Strong performance from CG as well, so this will be a suspenseful one until tonight ...
Draw:
OG: Haifa A
OO: Ljubljana A
CG: UCTI A
CO: Leiden B
I had immense trouble with listening comprehension with Tokyo B, but thought that also in terms of their labels they were quite confusing. Zagreb launched quite the attack, but may have been a little lighthearted on the analysis. Speaking from experience, you also need to beat the analysis cow to death in OO in a Worlds final ... ;)
Second half is looking much better to my mind - both structurally and analytically.
Won't be able to make a call, though, so be sure to check on results tonight ...
OG: Tokyo B
OO: Zagreb A
CG: Venezuela A
CO: Belgrade A
Tbc, they need to speak more slowly ...
Monash A
LSE A
Sydney A
Sydney B
Oxford A
Cambridge A
Sydney D
Yale C
EFL
Zagreb A
Venezuela B (tbc)
Belgrade B
Tokyo B
ESL
UCTI A
Haifa A
Ljubljana A
Leiden B
Missing ze Germanz ...
Dikti A - OG
Venezuela B - OO
Zagreb A - CG
Venezuela A - CO
J: Chris, Masako, Mike Aguilera, Sam Block, Daniel Kaliski, Lucinda, Tom Williamson
Indonesia B - OG
Belgrade B - OO
Gadjahmada B - CG
Tokyo B - CO
J: Duncan Campbell, Aji abu, Kimera, Jens Fischer, Tuna, Daniel Warents, Matthew Butler Adams
Motion:
TH supports a one state solution for the Israeli - Palestinian conflict
ESL Semifinals
UTMara B - OG
Haifa A - OO
Lahore A - CG
UCTI A - CO
J: Will Jones, Phil Barker, Steve Nolan,
TJ, Simone van Elk, Andrew McMillan, Logan
Stuttgart A - OG
Leiden B - OO
Ljubljana A - CG
Ljubljana C - CO
J: Nick Long, Isa Loewe, Josh Martin, Ciaran Lawlor, Ely Zosa, Michael Hsiao, Latif
Motion:
TH would prefer that the children of racial minorities be adopted by parents of that race
Monash A
Kings Inn A
Sydney A
NUS A
Cambridge A
Monash B
McGill A
Oxford C
Sydney D
Yale C
Oxford A
UNSW A
Sydney B
Melbourne A
LSE A
Cambridge B
ESL Semis:
Lahore A
Haifa A
Ljubljana A
Ljubljana C
Leiden B
Stuttgart A
UCTI A
UTMara B
Quartes Set-up:
Monash A - OO
King's Inn A - OG
Cambridge B - CG
LSE A - CO
J: Anat Gelber, Steve Johnson, Joanna Connoly, Kim Ahyoung, Alex Just
Sydney A - OO
NUS A - CG
Sydney B - OG
Melbourne A - CO
J: Erin Fitzgerald, Richard Lau, Chanelle, Tate, Vivek
Monash B - OG
Cambridge A - CO
Oxford A - CG
UNSW A - OO
J: Julia Baine, John Worgan, Michel Baine
Oxford C - OG
McGill A - CG
Sydney D - OO
Yale C - CO
J: Nita Rao, Tim, Steven Boyle, Deirdre, Adam Goldstein
Open Quarters Motion:
THBT courts should not enforce wills that discriminate on the basis of race
ESL Semis & EFL Semis draws at 16:00.
Berlin - 87
Zagreb - 9
This is fantastic!
Judges
Adam Goldstein
Athica?
?
Alex Just
Anat Gelber
Andrew McMillan
Ben Jasper
Chanelle Carr
Chris Bisset
Ciaran Lawlor
Daniel Galisky
Daniel Warents
David Stephens
David Watson
Deirdre Milner
Duncan Campell
Ellie?
Eoin Kilkenny
Erin Fitzgerald
Eusebius McKaiser
Gavin Illsley
?Paris
Isabelle Loewe
Jens Fischer
?Jolenne
Joe Roussos
Jonathan Pierce
Josh Harding
Julia Bain
Kim Ay Jung
?
Latif
Leela Koenig
Lewis Iwu
Richard Lizius
Lucinda David
Luke Daniel McGreevy
Marie Nugent
Masako Suzuki
Mattew Butler Evans
Michael Aguilera
Micheal Bear
Michael S?
Matt Dwyer
Nick Long
Nita?
Phil Barker
Phil Williams
Rich ?
Richard Läu
?
Sam Block
Scott Ralston
Shawn Briscoe
Simone v Elk
?
Steve Johnson
Stephen Nolan
?
Tate
TJ
Tim Jeffries
?
Tom Williamson
Toshiaki ?
Tuna
Will Jones
Yoni Cohen
Zheng Bo
Zikho Pali
Logan
EFL
1 13pt Zagreb A
2 13 Belgrade B
3 12 Tokio B
4 12 Venezuela B
5 12 Venezuela A
6 Ghadja...
7 Indonesia B
8 Tenjin B?
ESL
1 16 IIUM B
2 15 Ljubiljana A
3 15 Stuttgart A
4 15 UCTI A
5 15 UTMara B
6 Leiden B
7 14 UNAC A
8 13 Lahore
9 14 Berlin B
10 14 Indonesia A (EFL)
11 14 IIUM C
12 14 Gutenberg A
13 14 Koc A
14 13 Berlin A
15 13 Ljubljana C
16 13 Haifa A
Open Break
1 24 Monash A
2 22 Sydney A
3 21 Cambridge A
4 21 Oxford C
5 21 TCD Hist B
6 20 Oxford A
7 20 Hart House A
8 20 Cambridge B
9 20 Durham A
10 20 Monash C
11 20 Oxford D
12 20 Sydney D
13 19 Sydney C
14 19 Monash B
15 19 NUS A
16 19 Alaska A
17 19 King's Inn A
18 19 ANU A
19 19 UCD Law A
20 19 Yale A
21 19 ANU B
22 19 Alaska B
23 18 Sydney B
24 18 LSE A
25 18 Oxford B
26 18 Melbourne A
27 18 UNSW A
28 18 Yale C
29 18 McGill A
30 18 Vermont B
31 18 Cambridge C
32 18 TCD Hist A
Masters
Ireland
USA
Scotland
England B
What a night.
Congratulations to all!
Party now ...
Greetings to the Homeland and all others!
The Round had been delayed to 20:30 on account of earlier fun and considerations around dinner (the canteen staff's departure times, to be exact). Now that debaters have been fed, it's time to sort this out ...
We are in high spirits that there will be a New Year's party afterwards. It may even include a Break announcement.
Finally. Will see what teams do with this ...
To be fair, though, the expectation management this morning regarding Round 8 was excellent.
Round 9 will be at 19:00 local.
From now on, Rounds are closed adjudication. Nothing better to keep the tension up ...
Before this, more beer in the sun. - Did I mention that I love Africa ...
Debaters had their traditional Debate Day 2 Crisis today (How are we doing?, How could the judges in the previous round be so ignorant?, What are perspectives?), but everone I talked to was doing impressively well ... so I suppose the bin must be filled by "the others", whoever they are.
After this is dinner and Manila/Bots Brand Night. I'm curious as to the specialties they'll be serving ... :)
Before, there will be a German Caucus meeting - jawohl!
"There will now be toilet paper in all restrooms."
"We are talking to the administrator about opening the pool. Any certified lifeguards, please come forward."I need to go check whether Bastian Laubner and Marcus Ewald have already followed that call ...
Lunchtime was spent in pursuit of BW cash (me; successful). Jens knows more about the Equity Forum.
Last night was "Recreation/Talent Night". Never thought I'd get to see Jamaican song, Jewish rap, and Botswanan dance in one evening ... good fun!
(Free drinks were curiously absent, though.)
Time inbetween Rounds was spent with beer in the sun and on an (unsuccessful) search for a working ATM on campus.
Jens meanwhile hosted the EU Caucus in preparation of Council.
The Public Speaking session is postponed to 21:15 tonight.
Looking forward to food and drinks after this ...
Interesting ...
Getting to food was a challenge at lunch - note to self: Don't offer individual feedback immediately subsequent to Rounds ;)
Shout out to my judging partner Finn from MAD, who footed the bill for the ice cream, thanks to which I survived ...
Round 3 is currently forecast to be announced at 18:15 local time.
There's been a bit of a delay this morning, largely on account of the fact that everone needed to check in and that the latest reg updates did not make it to the tab. VLookup, anyone?
Check-in of speakers and judges before Rounds happens by manual database entry - when you're checked in, the system tells you that it cannot find you ... this has been a bit confusing when people checked in their partners or delegations.
Apparently, ESL/EFL also need to re-register ...
Feels a little like at the BW border ;)
Let's go ...
Sehr geehrter Herr Maedler,leider bekommen wir keine detaillierten Informationen über Netzausbau bzw. Netzstörungen in Afrika.Allerdings ist bekannt, daß Südafrika bezüglich Netzausbau führend auf diesem Kontinent ist. Alle anderen Länder verfügen nicht über einen vergleichbaren Ausbaustand. Dies gilt auch für Botswana,mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Well done!
We're off to the Ball now ... Drinks await.
After votes on all teams, three teams, and two final votes, resulting in 4-3-2 and 5-4 split decisions respectively.
Can Okar told us that one judge had originally voted for 1P, but after the discussion the split was 4 for 2P, 3 for 1O and 2 for 2O; the latter two then changed to 1O to have them win.
EFL Speakers
5 Elena Zhukova
4 Laura Horvath
3 Lea Tafra
2 Yevgenia Golubova
1 Aiste Dumbryte
ESL Speakers
5 Adam Hildebrandt (yay!)
4 Yoni Cohen
3 Sela Nevo
2 Simone van Elk
1 Leela Koenig
Best speakers of the competition
10 Harish Natarajan (Cambridge C)
8 James Dray (Oxford A)
8 John Leader Maynard (Oxford C)
7 Sheng Wu Li (Oxford B)
5 Julia Featherston (Sydney A)
5 Steve Hind (Sydney B)
3 Fiona Prowse (Monash A)
3 Amit Golder (Monash A)
2 Tim Mooney (Sydney A)
1 Naomi Oreb (Sydney B)
Masters Team:
Ireland - Ross McGuire and Gregg O'Neill
Masters Individual:
Barry Glynn
(Honorable Mentions to Willard Foxton, Doug Cochran, Derek Doyle)
Public Speaking:
Patrick Bateman
Congratulations to all!
I personally have my hopes still set on Oxford A, who have presented an amazing case beyond eloquence.
Art is currently doing thank yous, which are clearly all very well deserved.
I personally have my hopes still set on Oxford A, who have presented an amazing case beyond eloquence.
Art is currently doing thank yous, which are clearly all very well deserved.
- Status of fetus
- Plausible that mother's individ rights override other
- Everytime I miss an opportunity to have sex and create life, I commit murder under their definition ...
- Life might be, but does not have to be, cf we could all go to hell if we don't go to church, the state still does not force us
- Phil can justify abortion prior to mother, but impact does not justify excl from moral decision making
- Save the life imperative is relative ... Sometimes other people's rights override
- Women's rights
- Being a mother is not moral equiv to being murdered
- Consent to sex extends to full range of possibilities
- Role of state
- State to step in
# missed a bit
- No equiv tradeoff to killing fetus shown by gov
- Viability ... Self direction not possible until certain stage, further often giving the family the right to switch off life support, eg when born in coma
- Potentiality is not enough ... crazy world bc pot starts earlier down the line
- Role of state
- Should the state force those believing otherwise to forego what is individual moral judgment
- Quality of life consideration
- Women's rights
- Mother's don't get to kill baby, cf switching off life support and will/consent
- Parents take rights from child ... also don't allow retribution
- Rights of mother even in case of right to have fun stops at right of baby
Fantastic rebuttal to Will and James.
- Still masses of unwanted pregnancies ... woman with coat hanger, cf 60s in GB ... support is with doctors
- Summary rant to wrap it up
Excellent, Oxford A!
- Nature of sex implies consequences ... ceded autonomy
- Makes people more aware ... Condoms with 99.9% safety
- Full life can still be had despite pregnancy
PoI James reiterating self concept
- disenfranchisement by gov bc poor people are driven into abortion bc of missing support services
- Disenfranchisement of men ... Should have a say in that decision # same thing other way around?
- Scenarios where this could still be justified,
eg Siamese twins: self defence against attacker on part of mother
Zombies attacking in the back street
-> when woman feels that there is a danger posed by the fetus, can act in self defence
- when woman at fault: can still be pregnant when all forms of contraception fails
Wow, what an argument ...
PoI from Will on rape
- Phys and mental trauma
- Women seeking abortion little able to comprehend
- Phys damages from procedure as phys harm
- Knowledge to have taken life as mental harm
- Pregnancy point is at sex w/o contraception understood
TH would ban abortion in all stages of pregnancy.
If this comes down to role fulfilment, setting up the debate and arguments in the face of adversity, the prop really should have it.
Many people from the audience left inbetween speeches, which wasn't exactly motivating to speakers. Somebody talk to Derek about that motion ...
On football and economics ...
- Fans should decide what a fav club is
- People support all sorts of things
- Doesn't harm nat competition ... # not sure whether this is not new
- Football club as entertainment companies in free market, eg through specialization exp/imp ... # relatively analysis free to my taste
- Taking away opportunities
Over and out until the Final ...
Off to a round of really detailed examples that I don't get ...
- Getting best players on market ... Football clubs have other duty, social, comm based ... # but why is that?
- Protectionism other than in trade ... Here the show comes from national competition
- On resources and dev ... England does not have good goalkeepers due to misdev
I would've liked sth sharper in terms of analysis, but there certainly were quite a few bright spots in this ...
It all comes down to economics ...
Indicates a ton of rebuttal and substantive
- I support teams bc they are cool ...
- Sports about sportsmanship, not outgroup dynamics due to identification
- On dev ... # nothing new
- On national teams ... # that rebuttal does not support opp
- Premier league good entertainment companies, therefore so popular ... should give them all business opportunities
- Cf music, on nat regulation in markets
The substantive sounded promising, but was far too short ...
- Football vs economics ... Diminishing returns impact differently, other factors at play
- Benefit to teams with players ... Must connect with team ... Otherwise devotion only to big money
- LT sustainability ... # we've had that one before
Let's see ...
- If players are good, they might as well play anywhere
- Why do we want more fans ... Not explained ... # ah, well ...
- Bad domestic clubs not necessarily improve
- Player dev still takes place ... They must come from somewhere
- Dev of players occurs due to RoI considerations
- Clubs are regionally based and vested ... Fan base not nec national
- Club management is also consideration ... cf decline of Ajax
Still not sure as to the focus on pos matter in OO ...
- Rebuilding the identification argument
- Believe in local talent, just needs development ... higher chances here
- Fair competition among smaller clubs, all clubs
- Sponsoring and prestige
- Spirit to the team
- Functioning of global markets ... Focus on prestige players hampers dev of others due to fin reasons
Decent contribution ...
- Boring
- Unappealing to fans
- Gov money not involved
Rebuttal:
- Domestic talent not that good
- Development in place ... But is an improvement lever
- Identification is with good teams, not home teams
- And look at all those cute poor kids from Sth America rising to the top
- Public proud of own club when they see stars from abroad wanting to come
- Good sponsorship does good to teams
V good rebuttal in my opinion ...
Adam:
- Good football is many people's interest, but in crisis - historical sentiment
- Leaving out development
- 75% of domestic players in Champions League domestic
- Fans lack identification with clubs ... Clubs just buy according to pocket
- Cultural element in fanhood
- Plan will help develop domestic talent, due to shift in focus ... Kids will benefit also
- Beneficial impact on national teams
I think we're off to a good start ...
1G Hertie School of Governance A
1O Leiden A
2G BBU A
2O Bonaparte B
Motion:
TH would implement quotas for domestic players in national football leagues.
"But why?" is an overheard comment.
My best wishes to Hertie ... may Adam's illness not stand in their way!
Just now, I got to sit in one of the semis ... kudos to Will Jones already for a summary that was just mental ... in a very good way :-)
Semifinals:
TH believes governments should subsidize private home ownership.
We're near perfectly on time for a day like this and Derek is conducting the draws for the immediately upcoming debates.
Semifinals:
1G Oxford B
1O Monash B
2G Manchester A
2O Oxford A
1G Vic Wellington A
1O Harvard A
2G Oxford C
2O UQ A
EFL Final:
1G Zagreb A
1O Vilnius A
2G Bucharest A
2O Zagreb B
EFL Final:
Ciaran Lawlor
Daniel Warents
Doug Cochran
Jenni Harrison
Kirsty Russel
Lewis Iwu
Samir Deger-Sen
Steve Johnson
Tiernan Fitzgibbon
ESL Final:
Christopher Croke
Colm Flynn
Daniel Warents
Derek Lande
Elizabeth Ames
Gavin Illsley
Iqbal Hafiedz
Sayeqa Islam
Tim Jeffrie
Turns out, Irish night did not feature complimentary hot whisky ... but the bar at the Clarion was more than helpful.
Strictly bedtime now!
Oxford A
Oxford B
Monash B
Manchester A
Harvard A
Vic Wellington A
UQ A
Oxford C
ESL Final:
Leiden A
Bonaparte B
BBU A
Hertie School of Governance A (yeah!)
Cool.
1G Haifa A
1O BBU A
2G Hertie School of Governance A
2O Tel Aviv A
Princeton A
TCD Phil B
Manchester A
Monash B
Oxford A
UCD L&H A
Nottingham A
Oxford B
Loyola A
Harvard A
Helsinki A
Vic Wellington A
UQ A
Oxford C
MIT A
Hart House B
Missed few and will follow up ...
Public Speaking was immensely entertaining, incl. explanations as to the workings of the British military and the ultimate recipe for success in debate and life.
Masters, held in the Irish Times format, are still running on the motion that THB that the end of capitalism is nigh.
Jens is on the Masters panel, which is chaired by Michael Clarke. After that, we're curious as to what 'Culture Clash' has in store.
Results will be announced after the Grand Final, together with all the other ones.
Henrik's plans outlined below were indeed spoiled when we found out that participants staying at Jury's were not even allowed to enter the Clarion Hotel.
This is probably not the OrgComms fault, but for a 4-star-hotel that claims to have an international standard, this policy to us just does not seem acceptable. We were actually told that we could go in, but only to stay on a sofa right next to the hotel entrance, to be "supervised". With all do respect, but we are not three-year-olds. And yes, people tend to behave strangely on New Year`s (you should have seen the odd crowds on the street last night), but this is not a proper way to "solve" the issue.
Not to be distracted about those issues: Happy new year to everyone! We'll keep you posted on the break progression, but today is the usual day off, with many people going off to excursions around southern Ireland, others going to Council, and people like me hanging out lazily in the hotel room and about to go to the pool area.
Isa, Jens, and I are off to the Clarion Hotel ... I shall moreover have a look at the Jury's Hotel parties later ...
Cheers!
Danny P is thanking the ballot master, Rowan, the room master, Ross, and the feedback master, James.
This is Henrik - trying to be faster by mobile than Jens by the computer outside. We're testing this, because we want to bring the Break to you tonight, regardless of the WLAN situation at the venue.
The motion for Round 9, the last preliminary round of this year's Worlds, is:
"TH would ban the publication of all political opinion polls."
Jens will follow up with a few interesting pairings ...
The org comm really lived up to their promises: The competition ran on schedule for most of the time. The food was good, especially for the dinners. The nightlife was very diverse, and speaking of culture: I imagine the trip to Istanbul was just great.
And lastly, also the weather played along: With temperatures around 30°C and a steady breeze, competition days were very bearable. Even more so, climatized rooms ensured that concentration could be upheld during the rounds.
As a summary: What a fantastic competition, and thank you to everyone who made this happen.
From this perspective: All the best to Tallinn Euros, we are looking forward to meeting under the northern summer!
PS: There is a little downside though, The mood was slightly gloomy amongst several prospective Euros hosts I talked to. One debater told me: "We would love to host Euros in 2009 or 2010, but we have no idea how we could possibly match this experience".